New Sirion Oil Filter

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I have an '07 Sirion 1.3 which is due for an oil change. As it is still within the warranty period I decided to use genuine Diahatsu parts and toddled along to the nearest dealer for a new filter. I was surprised to find it is not a spin-on type but a replacement paper element. The instructions on the box suggest a special tool is required to remove and replace the filter housing. Could anybody confirm whether I will be able to unscrew the filter housing with a normal removal tool, (I have the chain type)? I haven't been under the car yet, and would like to be properly prepared before I start. The last paper element type filter I had to deal with was on a Hillman Imp 35 years ago! Any advice will be gratefully received.
These dealers know how to charge, £10.58 for a paper element and two 'O' rings, and £1.09 for a sump plug washer. Phew!

As far as I know the Sirion

As far as I know the Sirion 1.3 engine is pretty much the same as that of the YRV that I have.

On the YRV the filter is a spin-on type and is vertical, in a cramped position. It would be very difficult to remove with a chain wrench. I bought a special tool to get it off. This looks like a huge socket spanner.

If you look on eBay at item 220299622231 you will see a traditional spin-on filter and if you also look at item 400041735828 you will see the type of filter wrench that's easiest to use. They come in all sorts of sizes. You need to get the right oil filter and check its diameter and number of flats in order to define the right tool for your filter.

YRV Tony

YRV Tony

The 2007 onward Sirion

The 2007 onward Sirion has the 3SZVE 1.3 engine not the K3VE and does'nt have the conventional tin can filter. It has the messy to change paper element as Jorustle said.
You should be able to twist it off using your hands with either a rubber, rigger, garden or other work type glove will help.
The plug on the bottom of the canister i suppose is to allow oil drainage to lesser the mess.
Posted a pic in the image gallery under Cars, sorry Lurch i dont know how to place a pic in the reply. Feel free to shift it or delete it.

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Current- 04 Silver YRV TURBO
Past- 91 Black Charade GTti, 89 White Charade GTti, 1998 White 1.3 Hi-Jet.
A friend in need is a friend in deed, a friend always in need, an Effin nuisance!!

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Current- 04 Silver YRV TURBO
Past- 91 Charade GTti, 89 Charade GTti, 98 1.3 Hi-Jet.
A friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend always in need, an Effin nuisance Wink

Criky It's years since I saw one of these !!

2004 Sirion 1300 4 Track. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape much.

I vaugely remember these things. What a bloody mess.

I did change one once - But I will be beggared if I can remember what it was on !! Sad

The Nut in the middle at the end of tha canister is (I beleive) a long bolt !! It goes up the middle of the canister to fix the filter to the mounting. Undo the bolt and the whole thing just comes off.

Make sure you put the new stuff in - in the correct order.

Good Luck -- Cover the floor Smile

BobF.

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

New Sirion Oil Filter

Thanks for the prompt responses chaps. I can confirm it is definitely the 3KVE engine. It says so on the VIN plate. I think the 3SZVE engine is the 1.5 litre.
Dave, the photo you posted is spot-on. The part numbers are identical, I think this type of filter has been used since the new model launch in 2005. The bottom bolt, (it looks more like a plug than a bolt), is indeed for drainage. The new filter includes a disposable plastic nozzle, to be inserted 'with force' after removal of this bolt, to drain the filter body of oil. What a palaver!
I was hoping somebody may have done the job and could advise me of possible pitfalls but I guess I will have to find out for myself. I will update this post with my tales of woe afterwards.
Cheers.

Your right the 3SZVE is

Your right the 3SZVE is 1500cc, i got the info from the parts disc i used for the pic, yet another Daihatsu info error. Maybe it should have said 2SZVE?? The Toyota 2SZVE 1.3 is almost identical to the Daihatsu K3VE 1.3 and wonder if yours is a merge of the two or an revision to the the K3VE. The parts disc shows the K3VE having the common tin can type filter.
The bottom plug is described as such on the parts cd but was'nt 100% sure it was for drainage or just to hold something in.
A gadget i use for filter removal is called a "Boa" strap wrench, the rubber band gets a good grip, kind to all surfaces and fairly cheap to buy.

Good luck.

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Current- 04 Silver YRV TURBO
Past- 91 Black Charade GTti, 89 White Charade GTti, 1998 White 1.3 Hi-Jet.
A friend in need is a friend in deed, a friend always in need, an Effin nuisance!!

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Current- 04 Silver YRV TURBO
Past- 91 Charade GTti, 89 Charade GTti, 98 1.3 Hi-Jet.
A friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend always in need, an Effin nuisance Wink

Footnote.

As a footnote, after some judicious research I can add that this type of filter is common to ALL 2005-on Sirions as well as the Materia and, oddly, the Toyota Yaris 1.8 VVTi.
Diahatsu say they have made this change to be 'environmentally friendly' and to avoid splashing oil on the hands when changing the filter. Good idea if it only worked in practice.

Paper oil filters

Paper filters are returning as a 'green' innovation. Biggrin

My other car is a Smart Roadster Coupe, and they use paper filters as do the Smart ForTwos.

At least Daihatsu still give you a sump drain plug, in a Smart you have to use an oil extraction pump!

Update: Job Done.

Well, I have spent better Easter Mondays! I repeat an earlier remark, what a palaver. Who on earth at Daihatsu thought this was forward thinking? A simple job which used to take only 5 minutes, (including filling the new spin-on canister with oil), took me 50 minutes and made a big mess into the bargain. Unfortunately it also reinforced my opinion formed over 40 years of car ownership, that when you entrust your vehicle to the motor trade, you cannot trust them to do the job properly. If you want it done by the book, you have to do it yourself.

The car is just 2 years old and was serviced one year ago at a Daihatsu main dealership. What I found was, no washer on the sump plug when there should be a single use only soft metal washer as referred to in the vehicle's handbook, and the drainage plug in the filter housing which should be torqued to 10lbs/ft was so tight that it would not budge and unscrewed the filter housing which meant I could not drain the residual oil and it poured out around the sides of the filter housing. As BobF said "cover the floor".

After cleaning up the mess I tried to release the drain plug. It takes a 3/8 inch square key, (a socket extension will fit) but I struggled to hold the filter housing steady. My chain type filter removal tool, which is designed for use on soft bodied canisters, would not grip the hard alloy of the housing. In the end I dug out the water pump pliers from my plumbing toolbox and they did the job. I cleaned everything thoroughly, replaced the filter element and 'O' rings and reassembled with plenty of fresh oil on the rubber rings, and used the correct torque wrench settings. Hopefully the job will be easier next time.

I wonder if this type of filter is going to be common to all Daihatsus. Mine is the 1.3 but is it on the 1.0 or the 1.5?
In case anybody refers to this thread for guidance I would suggest the following:
Get an oil filter end cap wrench as referred to in this thread by YRV Tony. The main filter body has 14 flats around which measured a tight 64mm across. There is a 65/14 wrench available.

Always remove the drain plug first. If the filter housing moves, brace it until you can release the plug. There is a plastic nozzle included in the new filter kit which, when inserted opens a flap allowing residual oil to drain. A 1/2 inch tube or hose can be attached to the nozzle to allow drainage into a container. Should reduce the mess.

Use plenty of fresh oil around the new 'O' rings to aid reassembly, and only tighten to the specified torque. You do nobody any favours by overtightening.

The torque settings are 18 lbs/ft for the housing and 10 lbs/ft for the drain plug.

The filter element kit part number is: 01452-B1010.

The photograph posted in the Cars gallery by DaihatsuDave is an excellent reference.

Phew! This has taken me longer to type than it took me to do the job, but if it helps somebody else avoid the pitfalls it was worth it.

Regards to all.

Replacement PAPER filter for 05 Sirion

I have been blessed with the version that has a paper filter and have changed them before. Can original Daihatsu paper oil filters still be obtained (if so, from where) or does anyone have a recommended source for the many compatible types that I see such as those on eBay. I dont want to mess up the engine of this wonderful car for the sake of a few quid wasted on a poor quality filter. Thanks

(I very much like the new shape Sirion)

E Bay.

The filters on E Bay are supposedly ok to buy for your Sirion. I have the spin on type of course and I buy a few at a time. I was supplied with purflux filters - and they are very good.
No reason to not think the paper ones on E Bay will be any different. Smile

Presumably you have seen my comment on the Shape of the New type Sirion, hence the comment at the end of your request.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I just think it is a shame they built a great little car and turned it into a square box. LOL. Smile

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

Beauty

Bob,

Eye of the beholder or not, "Beauty is only skin deep, but ugliness goes right to the bone".

Phil

Bloody Nora. !!

I sometimes use Kimber. They are very good so far. As for that tool - It looks like an instrument of torture / or pleasure - depending on your thoughts. LOL.

Your right of course Phil. Beauty is only skin deep. But as Iv'e worked on mine for two years now - there is no ugliness to be had. Only beauty right through to the bone. Smile

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

Oil Filters and Beauty

The subject title is a sentence I never thought I would use!

Bob, Phil,
Thanks both for your replies. I will get some of the blue print filters. I use the same method you describe Phil except with a chain wrench and a rag. I also found out to my surprise some years ago that the sump plug can be removed and replaced without washers, gaskets or glue provided the two surfaces are kept clean - the advice came from the franchised garage (when it still existed) and I have had no problems so far.

As for beauty, not only is it in the eye of the beholder but over time can grow as it represents the object itself as it grows on you. The boxy Sirion could be more traditionally beautiful but each time I use it or see my wife or kids drive it I appreciate it more. Eight years on and I am still very happy to trust it to transport them safely and reliably. Hence, I very much like the new shape Sirion (perhaps 'love' was slightly too strong a word!)

Cheers, Colin

(I very much like the new shape Sirion)

No Drippy Sump

Colin,

Yes I agree, the sump plug does not need a new washer every time it comes out and I just refit the plug with the old washer still in place. I do not have a drippy sump. They are available on the www if required, and I am sure a look-alike one from Halfords would work as well.

I would like to clarify that the "beauty" quote I made was not directed at anyone or anything - it was just a funny quote, which came to mind from Bob's remark about beauty being in the eye of the beholder. It was a throw away line.

I have a "new" 1.5 with the wide-mouth grill and I am very happy with the style. I occasionally get second looks from boy-racers in their Corsas, which is probably due to the vehicle being rare, as much as anything with only about 300 in the UK. I have never seen another one.

Anyway there we have it. Thanks for coming back and acknowledging us.

Regards

Phil

Oil Filter

Mega,

I have been replacing these filters for many years and I use the BluePrint brand ones ADD62109 – I have compared one next to a genuine one and they are an exact copy and high quality. The cheapest I have found are from Kimber car parts. At £6.48 you shouldn’t grimble. BluePrint make very good stuff.

http://www.kimbercarparts.co.uk/Service-Parts/Filters-Air-Cabin-Fuel-Oil/Daihatsu/Sirion/All/1.5/2008/Parts.aspx

Incidentally having just the paper type is better than the spin-off/spin-on canisters because at least you can see what the filter actually looks like. Have a look on the www at some of the horror stories of what can be found inside a canister type and you will never trust one again.

As for removing the filter bowl I use the item below with a rag around the bowl to prevent damage. Don’t bother about the little plastic drain thing in the filter kit and save yourself the grief of undoing the big nut drain plug. Just remove the whole filter bowl and be done with it.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=filter+wrench&id=672C1C3D44F58E52BAB051681A89BB921322E219&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=6A8B370BC4F64C1FBC9E08E5E48EEC3B1B1DE1A5&selectedIndex=6

Good luck

Regards

Phil