So here is a real riddle for the experts... white smoke only at dipping revs in drive, not neutral.

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So here is the very puzzling scenario.
When driving along there are absolutely no problems, no smoke whatsoever. In fact, in park or neutral, the car still drips water out the exhaust which indicates clean combustion. I've let the car idle for 10minutes and no sign of any problems. Temperatures are fine and even with revving a bit and spooling the turbo, no smoke at all.

BUT, when in drive or reverse and idling, for some reason the revs dip slightly and the car has a bit of a loping idle, then after a few seconds white smoke (not steam) starts puffing out the back. The smell is not very strong of anything (so doubt its coolant).

Here is what I have checked or done to troubleshoot:

Car was serviced 5 months ago with new oil and filter, so just changed the oil again. Used fully synthetic 5W30, which did not change the situation at all.

Dismantled the pipework leading from the turbo to the intake, there are small signs of oil especially in the intercooler pipes, but nothing unusual for a turbo car.

Tried to follow all the vacuum pipes, but the maze got a bit confusing after a while and could not exactly deduce anything, but all pipes seemed to be in a good condition.

The only "modifications" that are on the car are a pipercross filter and middle section of the exhaust that was replaced by a stainless steel piece without a silencer/muffler. But both of these have been on the car for almost a year with no problems.

There is no loss of coolant, or oil and no signs of mixing anywhere.

This issue "seems" to have started a few months after the last service, but I am baffled by it.

This only happens when the car is in drive or reverse, but the moment you tap the accelerator or just raise the revs slightly, there is no problem at all. If it puffs for over 15 or so seconds, then when you accelerate a huge cloud of smoke billows out, can almost block out the car behind! So it seems that whatever is happening, builds up some incorrect mixture and can get more and more the longer it stays in dipped revs.

I have tried to locate any sensors in the intake pathway that could be dirty, and sprayed carb cleaner down any "unopenable" channel, but did not solve it either. Are there hidden sensors in the throttle assembly?

Also the other thing I was wondering, what controls the idling level that could be different when it is drive compared to when in neutral or park? Is it the readings from an O2 or lambda sensor?

The way around this for me is that I just shift the gear into neutral when coming to a stop everytime. So no problems at all with that, except I would like to stop the actual issue.

Any help would be appreciated....

Sorry to hear of your

Sorry to hear of your problems. Spent ages racking my brains as to what this could be. If you are 100% it's not using water then it could be ATF fluid being burnt. BUT how it gets into the engine I don't know. Will go and look at mine in a bit and see if there are any vacuum hoses linking the box to the engine. I have just read about an american car burning ATF due to a faulty vacuum valve or something. It definitely sounds like it is building up inside then is forced out in a plume when you set off.
We all know OIL = Blue Smoke. Water = White Smoke. To much fuel = Black Smoke. Apparently ATF burns white too according to a couple of things I've been reading.

Will have a look at mine and report back!

Wayne

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I've had a look at mine and I

I've had a look at mine and I cannot see a hose/link between the engine and the gearbox unless its properly hidden at the back somewhere. I wonder if the steering rack has a vacuum line lol as that fluid is the same stuff and would burn white too. I wish I could suggest something conclusive mate.

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Ive had similar not quite

Ive had similar not quite white, not blue smoke and only on hot days when the fan came on when sat in traffic. I assume its the Cat cleaning itself....and it does have a self cleaning Cat as silly as it sounds. I believe Daihatsu and Toyota developed them first.

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smoke

Check your brake fluid level, if the master cylinder bolts onto the servo and the seals are leaking slightly, fluid gets into the servo on vacumn, and gets sucked into the inlet manifold, and goes out of the exhaust valve on the exhaust stroke of the engine, and does give alot of white smoke,if you can remove the master cylinder from the servo, just poke a piece of cable down into the servo and see if it come out with fluid on.

1 place

That's the one place I haven't checked yet (since just after the service)... Will check the brake fluid level tomorrow morning.
I am not so sure I am adventurous enough to do what you are saying with the disassembly. Has anyone with a YRV Turbo done this? I need the car as a daily driver, so if I mess it up I am stuck...
Have you looked at the clips I posted, does the white smoke look like brake fluid smoke?
Thanks for the advice...

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Very good point about the

Very good point about the brake servo leaking etc. definitely check the brake fluid level. Completely slipped my mind that had. Talk about missing the obvious!

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curious...

I checked the brake fluid level, and it was over the maximum line! Not sure how long it has been this way, would assume it was from the service where they serviced the brakes Scratch one-s head
I was sure I checked the level just before the service and it was fine...
Anyway, I siphoned off a bit to take it just below the max line, going to drive the car to see if any change. Also will be throwing in the Cataclean later...

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Smoke, revs and videotape...

So here are some clips that I took of the car.

The only thing I have done before recording the clips was to clean the exhaust pipe ends so that any gunk or soot can be clearly seen...

First clip of cold start and idle till warms up. It shows how the combustion is clean and water starts dripping out and no smoke...

http://youtu.be/B7a_h-R0TJ8

This one is normal idling in Park, and then with some revving... still no smoke.

http://youtu.be/Ka1sIywXiNg

And now this is where the problems start. After a short drive, kept the car in Drive gear, and let it idle. After a few seconds, the smoking starts. Changed back into Park and revved a little to show how much smoke!

http://youtu.be/phj-8ytk0_c

This is after about 30seconds idle in Drive gear, and then immediate slight revving in neutral. Loads of smoke again.

http://youtu.be/WuaupFSfEfE

After a 20 minute drive, and doing the same thing, idle in Drive gear and then revving. Lots of smoke, but then after a few more revs in Park, the smoke stops and idles fine with no smoke in Park.

http://youtu.be/JZ91cY2kyvQ

Last clip is of the exhaust pipe after all of the revving and idling. Crystal clear water with no muck or smell.

http://youtu.be/3wIfrzRTJvU

Thanks for the suggestions/info Wayne and Dave, I am going to try a few other things tomorrow...
1) Take benchmarks reading with a Dashdaq ( http://www.dashdaq.co.uk/ )that I have acquired. Need to learn how to use it properly first!
2) Hopefully the local motorfactor is open tomorrow, will buy Cataclean http://www.cataclean.com/ and use it...
3) Drive for 15-20 miles and data log the new readings to compare with benchmark to see for any improvements.

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Racked my brains!!

Have watched all your videos and I am baffled. If you're 100% it is not using any water then I really am baffled. Even if someone was filling your exhaust with water during the night it would be dispersed after driving I'm sure......

I have read that Brake Fluid and ATF/PAS Fluid burn white, BUT brake fluid in the engine - don't think so. ATF Fluid? It has happened on some cars with a vacuum from the engine to the box but I don't think there is on our cars. Same for the PAS lol.......

Looking at your second clip, I would say that this is excessive condensation due to amount of water the flies out, I say water as you said it has no odour etc and it would appear to be water on the video.

Have you given it a LONG hard run?

Is the ATF Fluid level ok (check with warm engine, running in Park after selecting all gears) just in case there is a link between the two, but I bet the exhaust would smell if this as the case......

Is the engine getting up to temperature/Is the heater hot/both top and bottom radiator hoses hot?

Are the cat(s) hot on both the inlet and outlet?

Is power down at all?

If it's been doing it while I'm certain you would notice a coolant drop considering the amount of smoke present.

I really cannot think of anything else logical.

ARGHHHH!!

Wayne

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checked again...

The water/coolant level is definitely not decreasing. Its been around the maximum line since the service.
I have given the car a few good runs, but doesn't seem to have any effect besides bringing a smile to my face hehehe...
The engine is getting up to temp, and all radiator hoses are hot.
Checked the transmission fluid, its fine at the hot level, fluid is clean.
It was a bit rainy today, so did't attempt to get under the car to check the temp around the cat.
Power is definitely not down, car runs just as good as it ever has.
MPG is still fine, I get around 200-230miles per tank.
I configured the Dashdaq to take some readings. Took readings at idle, trying to interpret them now.
The Dashdaq datalogs any readings of the 24 that it can take off the OBD port.
I have also now bought a oil catchtank to fit between the breather and the intake manifold.

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It is coolant.

Coolant loss. Sighting the coolant marks on the expansion tank will not indicate the coolant is OK. Remove the radiator cap and look into the radiator. I bet you can see the top plates are uncovered and the radiator has lost coolant.
The coolant reservoir is an overflow tank to take coolant expansion when the engine heats. When the engine cools the coolant gets withdrawn and sucked into the engine block. Once the radiator looses coolant via the cylinders there will be no expansion into the reservoir and the link between the reservoir and radiator is broken - hence no expansion or flow back when cool but the reservoir indicates 'full'.
Remove the radiator cap and then panic!

thought the same thing...

That was actually the first thing I did before anything else, cos white smoke is usually coolant. But the strange thing is that there is definitely no coolant loss (checked in radiator when cold and when warm - not hot). That was confirmed that there is no sweet coolant burn smell form the exhaust when it is smoking...
I am very much relieved that this is not the case!

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My expansion bottle does

My expansion bottle DOES loose water when my water pump leaks as there is a dip tube into the tank.

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well well well... seems to be solved!

who woulda thought it!
After siphoning off some of the brake fluid, the situation seems to have improved drastically. No sign of smoke yet!
Idle is still a little bit rough, but I think that could be down to the Cataclean that I have in the system. Have filled up with new fuel now, and will see what the drive is like later.
So all that is left is for me to log some more data with the Dashdaq...
Many thanks to Wayne and Hatsu and the guys who helped out on the thread!

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Nice one!!

Well pleased you have (hopefully) sorted it. We all live and learn!!

Let us know in a few days what happens. I reckon it'll be fine Wink

W

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Cataclean improved the drive immensely...

So I have to recommend Cataclean. It has improved the MPG and the drive feels quite a lot more "perky".
The smoke seems to have stopped completely after a little bit that re-appeared a few weeks ago. Nothing since, and car idles fine... So for now, she is driving very well!
No fluids are decreasing (except petrol of course) and nothing feels out of order... Smile

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