Just want to say to anyone thinking of getting a fourtrak do it cause they are great. I have had my independent for 7 months now and its been great considering the amount of crap i have put it through. The second day I had it I hit a post in the snow which was Ã‚Â£3500 to fix but it still drove. It tows over 3 ton more than often and its conquered my local off road course (wildtracks) twice only getting stuck once when I was mis informed and went onto the tank course, but it will go through water coming up over the bonnet no problem. Dont buy a defender they only rust and go wrong, buy a fourtrak it will never let you down.