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My Sportraks Driverside lock seems to starting to be a bit iffy at times and as my alarm "should" unlock central locking, but when I had the alarm fitted the bloke who fitted it said it wouldn't work with Daihatsu's. I think Microscan do a kit so it works with all Central Locking systems but I not want to spend money on that if it turns out it will work.
I am asking as I have recently discovered while poking about under the bonnet that he cheated and never fitted the bonnet sensor when he fitted the alarm. So was wondering if he even bothered trying with the central locking.
Your alarm fitters are talkin
Your alarm fitters are talking an awful amount of ballcocks, and quite clearly don't know their @rse from their elbow when it come to even the basics of auto-electrics.
I'd firstly get straight onto them about the missing pin switch on the bonnet, (and a call to trading standards, who will put the fear of God into them providing you collate all your evidence well) Then, I'd tell them that Daihatsu's can, of course, be modded for keyless, providing the alarm is compatible with this feature. What alarm did u have fitted? I know there are generic kits for unlock and window lift, but I'd tend to go for a "sister" unit to the main system - i.e. by the same manuf.
On mine (T 1 Cobra ACS3198) the drop line for the door soleniods came straight from the unit, but you'll need to loop the rear door into the circuit as it's seperate. It's a relatively straightforward procedure, as long as you dont mind splicing into a few looms.
I have drawn a diagram of the installation in case anyone wants to do the same. One day I'll get around to the window lift!
Dave with a Sporty
Dave with a Sporty
The alarm
My alarm supports the central locking as its a Microscan AN214 and has the capability for you to add to it so it can page you and everything and already has the capability to unlock the central locking on certain cars but u can buy a unit for it to work with ones the alarm can't at the time.
It has been about 5 or 6 months since had the alarm fitted so not sure that it might be a bit long over the bonnet pin switch. Though my be worth talking to trading standards as they may have a look over the alarm to see how good its installation is.
Could fit a bonnet pin myself, I just have to find where I put the alarm fitting instructions as they were nice anough to give me them back
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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Spotrak c/l and Microscan alarm
I have a Microscan (probably the same model, I can check if needs be).I fitted it myself and connected it to the central locking so yes, it does work, your alarm fitter is talking bollocks. You will have to disconnect the door lock switch (easy, there's a connector in the driver's door*) or it prevents the alarm from operating the c/l. Naturally I found that out on the second attempt
I only connected the front door circuit at the time, intending to do the separate rear door circuit at a later date. (That later date hasn't yet arrived, it should do as it would be more convenient when laden with shopping).
How au fait are you with this sort of thing? I reckon it's a short day's work to do the conversion for someone with sufficient savvy to poke about and identify the right wires, less if you have a diagram. A meter helps too. I'll try and find my alarm paperwork as I may have made some notes on it regarding which colour goes where.
* I extended the alarm wiring to this point as it was easier than breaking into the loom - especially without a wiring diagram.
Don
Don
"You will have to disconn
"You will have to disconnect the door lock switch (easy, there's a connector in the driver's door*) or it prevents the alarm from operating the c/l. Naturally I found that out on the second attempt"
EXACTLY what happened to me, Don! But muggins here went hacking into the loom, anyway( :
Been playing around tonight trying to make the rear door lock switch activate the full CDL from inside. Anyone done this?
Dave with a Sporty
Dave with a Sporty
rear door switch doing full CDL
Sounds like a cool project. I think I will study the wiring diagram and figure something out. If you manage it tell me and I will give you access level to write it up on the site as a guide how to do it as would be v v handy.
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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Spotrak c/l and Microscan alarm
I am ok with wiring once I know which wire is probably what. Fixed enough nackered wiring and things in my old Metro, and couple of other things in my mums Honda Civic.
I do have the service manual for the Sportrak which I brought off ebay a couple of months ago. Blatently the old Daihatsu 4x4 site was selling copies of service manuals looking at the cover. Anyway I will have a look to see what wiring diagrams it has.
Will give me something to do at the weekend, though disconnecting the door lock switch won't this stop you being able to lock it from the inside?
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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c/l
> though disconnecting the door lock switch won't this stop you being
I don't remember it doing so, if it does then yes you will lose that facility.
>able to lock it from the inside?
No, you can still lock the doors from inside, that's mechanical. Does locking the driver's door from inside operate the c/l
If I ever get around to linking in the rear door I'd like to make the centre console switch fire all three c/l solenoids. This should be possible as unlike the door switch it's a 'momentary contact' switch.
You've set me thinking about this now, I too may have to have another play
Don
Don
c/l
On my Sportrak locking the drivers door from the inside does operate the c/l. What does disconnectiing the door lock switch stop working then? It probably will be obvious at the weekend when I have a go at it. But just wondering what it would stop working.
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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door lock switch
Then it probably did on mine then, I just forgot.
The door lock switch is connected to both they key lock and (via a rod) to the internal flap. It's wired (via the aforementioned handy 3 wire* plug and socket in the door) to a control unit under the dash which, as usual, requires footwell acrobatics to see/get at. This control unit IIRC contains 2 sets of circuitry one for front, one for rear c/l. The control unit is triggered by putting an earth on the appropriate wire, either 'Lock' or 'Unlock'. The alarm does this momentarily, i.e. for less than a second, as does the console switch as far as I can tell. This momentary signal pulse is all the control unit requires. The door switch however seems to leave it's earth 'signal' on, in whichever position it is left. This is why it overrides the alarm 'signals' and has to be banished from the circuit. Who needs it anyway with keyless entry? Well, I suppose if you live or drive through bandit country you might want to be able to operate the c/l from inside. It may be possible to do this by rewiring the centre console switch but it does occur to me that once you've locked yourself in, if you have a crash, locked in you may well stay, possibly with the flames licking your nether regions, as potential rescuers won't be able to open the doors from outside. It's something that will probably spoil your day. (I suppose cars fitted with this sort of central locking facility have a crash sensor to unlock the doors in the event of an impact.)
Don
* the 3 wires being lock, unlock and earth and no, I can't find the alarm instructions on which I might have noted the colours
Don
Alarm and c/l
I have spent about an hour looking about the Spotrak trying to trace the wiring for the alarm which is quite a challenge as I must say the fitter has done a good job of taping it up into the original looms of the car.
Anyway from what I can see he did attempt to wire up the central locking with some extra wire and then cut the wiring when he couldn't get it to work. I have found the 1 wire for the central locking from the alarm (I think) which is the blue one. But I have not yet been able to find the green one.
The wiring it look likes he connected to the c/l is to a blue with with red dots on and I think was to a green wire.
So if I manage to trace down the other wire then all I do is connect the wires to his attempt and unplug the door lock switch?
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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wires, wires everywhere !
If you're reasonably confident you've found the right (Daihatsu) wires you could disconnect the door lock and then dab an earth on each to confirm it and determine which is lock and which unlock. Of course, if you're wrong... actually all you're likely to do is blow a fuse. Blue and Green from the alarm sounds familiar but as I say, I'm buggered if I can find my alarm instructions and I too made a good job of taping the new wiring into the loom
Don
Don
wires, wires and more wires!
The wires from the alarm are blue and green. The wires he tried connecting them to being blue and green aswell does have me thinking that it could be them. Just have to test and find out I suppose. Have to find the green wire from the alarm though as not managed to track that one down!
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N-Reg Daihatsu Sportrak Midnight. A-Bar, K&N, more to follow!
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