What's better - YRV Turbo or Sirion Rally 2 ????

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Is there anyone who owns or has owned both?
The biggest tangible differences are mpg, size inside (practicality) and handling. Well those are my thoughts anyway. I guess you could include the "turbo factor" (never get tired of the sound) as well as the sleeper status of the racing postbox! Lol
Anyone tested which is actually faster in a straight line up to about 80mph? On paper the specs are fairly similar. Wink
And which is overall a better car to own for daily travelling (40mile roundtrip, urban traffic + motorway = mixed). I find the steershift / automatic so convenient in traffic.
But for some reason I am tempted to sell my YRV turbo and buy a Rally 2. Scratch one-s head
Any opinions?

Did look at the sirion rally

Did look at the sirion rally series back when I was on the look-out for a new run-a-bout but they were very scarce back then.

Don't rule out the Rally4, it maybe slightly slower than a rally2 but I bet it handles better with it's 4 wheel drive.

Considering weather conditions especially hot days, then I bet the Sirion wouldn't exhibit power loss than the YRV turbo. But on the other hand the YRV turbo using steer-shift and the fact you can stay in 2nd gear up-to 80MPH Wink and the sirion being a manual gear car and having to rev the nuts off it, it's horses for courses.

Queue Bob F Smile

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP

Think they all have their

Think they all have their individual pro's and con's.
They both share the marmite tag depending on the view angle too.
Dont get me wrong the Sirion's are nice cars and would'nt turn my nose up at one but just a touch to much of the classic/retro look for me swings it to my YRV Turbo.
I couldnt believe the YRV's 2nd gear start off, was expecting a cut and max out around 60/62mph but like Jon said its well beyond that and that is real fun believe me!!
Would love to see and drive a Sirion 2 or 4 with the K3-VET engine on board...now that would be awesome.
If Daihatsu stick one in the New shape i might even buy one Wink
Bob you've done a great job in trying to improve and prolong your cars life, would love to do the same to mine. Smile

Dave.

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Interesting...

Thanks guys, some interesting points of view. I have to admit I wouldn't mind owning one of each Smile
My wife has fallen in love with a Hijet and she has her Aygo on the market now so that she can buy one. Never imagined I would live in a Daihatsu-dominated household Lol

I never considered the rally4 mainly because I thought the handling benefit would be outweighed by the slower pace and heavier fuel thirst. Is there a noticeable difference in mpg between the 2 and 4? The YRV Turbo is quite heavy. I struggle to get 33-35mpg even with very calm toned down driving.

There are also the finer pros and cons:
There is loads of room in the YRV with the seats down. I cant imagine the Sirion matching this.
There are electric folding mirrors on the Sirion - if you only have parking on the street you know how irritating it is to manually fold the mirrors in and out every time you park off!
If we have another snowy winter - the 4wd will prove VERY useful, I was sliding on ice every morning with the YRV Sad
The Sirions have chrome trim Smile (thats definitely a pro! - depending on your age and what styles you grew up liking hehehe)

Maybe we should arrange a "timeshare" Biggrin swap cars for a month or 2 at a time...
Just out of interest is anyone around the Bristol area?

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

Even though I own 2 cars

Even though I own 2 cars (Subaru Impreza STi being the other) I still find the YRV more user friendly, I think it's because as stated the size and ease of use, plus the versatility of the car, and as it's tall makes it easy to jump in and out of the drivers seat. But to get the handling from the YRV to make it as I can only imagine the rally 2 or 4 to be like. Then suspension and wheel modifications are required, noticed a big improvement when I modified my YRV turbo, and now find going round coreners a breeze. And yes my YRV didn't like the snow much, it struggled a bit. Will look into some winter tyres this year as that would make a diffrence. Wink Shame Daihatsu didn't bring in the 4 wheel drive YRV GTTi from Japan. As for a turbo model 4 wheel drive sirion, then there is the Boon X4 (new Shape Sirion, Sorry Bob Wink ) in Japan, again for some reason Daihatsu haven't bothered importing this in to the U.K market Sad

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP

Flat spots, and torque talk...

I am enjoying reading what all the different experiences have been with the various models and cars. From my point of view, I agree with some things and disagree with others.

I definitely agree that some engines have an inherent "flat spot" or even a "flat range" at or below a certain rpm. Even some models of the Honda Civic type R suffered from extremely sad low rev performance. Their V-tec system was supposed to have prevented this from happening, but with the capacity engine and weight of the car, the formula only worked well when revving it up madly (with good results admittedly).

Then on the other extreme, you get a Nissan engine like the SR16VE, their variable valve and timing engine, 1.6l but with loads more torque than the B16 1.6 Honda engine. Peak power was similar, but the power and torque delivery over the rev range was completely different. On the road, the SR16VE was easy as a daily driver with enough torque low down, with enough power higher in the rev range (but at 1500rpm lower than the Honda though).

I can imagine similar shortfalls with the DVVT-i system in Toyota/Dai engines. However I do believe that they offset this by modifying the profile on the exhaust cam. Different cams are an easy way to change the characteristics of the torque/power delivery. Would like to test the theory with a rolling 2nd gear pull between a YRV turbo, a Rally 2 and a normal Sirion or YRV 1.3.

The other interesting point is the torque on the YRV Turbo. It doesn't spool up as fast as some of the other turbo cars I have owned. Also, unless you are driving very smoothly (which is the majority of the time), if you need to accelerate quickly or go uphill, if you push to hard on the accelerator, it has a delay and then a very sudden spool up and huge jump in torque. Can lead to a bit of a surprise if you're not expecting it! I would be interested to drive a Rally 2 to see what the difference is. I actually think that for a few seconds the Rally would edge in front, and only once the turbo spools up in the YRV, then it will be overtaken by the YRV and should stay that way (the YRV is very quick between 40 and 80mph).

Then again, I could be wrong about all of this, just my thoughts on the matter...

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

It's the Autobox ECU.....

Yep have noticed that the YRV has this hesitation, but I put that down to the Auto-box and the ECU. You get this more so with the steer-shift engaged, as at the point your revving (Noticed this more in 2nd) it gets to the point where it thinks it needs to change up, but the auotbox ECU then tells the main engine ECU that you have fictiously changed gear, but you havent. Now if you put a manual gear box in you may not get this. Noticed a big difference in the power between full auto mode and engaging the Steershift, it's like auto mode has this hold back feature, where as the steershift allows the engine to open up more. Notice this more with my exhaust system. Also it's interesting to note if you are accelerating in full auto and hit the steershift at the right area the car kicks into life more, it's like an on the go launch feature Smile

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP

Don't forget the DVVT-i activation...

Yes, you described that well... just to add that the DVVT actuates roughly around 3000rpm, you can actually hear (especially with a modified exhaust) and feel the difference when it kicks in. If you do not have the accelerator pedal more than about 50% pushed down, then in auto mode the car will change up a gear before it activates the DVVT. However on steershift, like you say, you can still get over 3000rpm even though you are not really booting it, so the car stays in DVVT actuation and is much more responsive and torquey...
There is one other difference between auto and steershift, for some reason, the "overdrive" does not activate in steershift in 4th gear. You can test this by cruising in steershift in 4th gear at about 70mph, then switch over to auto and you will notice the revs will drop by a few hundred rpm. I reckon this saves a bit of fuel on motorway journeys.
In SA I heard that the YRV didn't get the manual gearbox because they didn't have one that can transmit the torque from the engine reliably. Not sure if its true, but the standard toyota (sirion/yaris) one (dont know if there is an upgraded gearbox for the UK rally versions) only lasted a few thousand miles before failing on several test vehicles.

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

Ahh interesting............

Well I will start to use the Auto feature more on the motorway. Had noticed the overdrive feature in 4th in auto mode.

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP