YRV, Copen, GTti, TRxx etc all Turbo owners - Manual Boost Controller test trial

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I have been building my own Manual boost controller (MBC) over the last few weeks, It's almost ready...

After seeing what is available on Ebay, most MBC's are cheap brass valves put together using plumbing fittings!

Whilst they usually perform OK, It's not the sort of thing that looks very nice under the bonnet!

I could also see some improvments to the standard design.

For those that may not know,...

A good MBC features a ball and spring.
When there is enough boost pressure to lift the ball off it's seat, pressure can then reach the wastegate actuator, and the wastegate opens. Because the wastegate opens, this then lowers the boost pressure, so the ball goes back down onto the seat, and the process starts again.
This process is happening very fast and a MBC keeps the boost pressure very steady and at the level you adjust it to open at.

The advantage of MBC's over older bleed style boost controllers, because no pressure can reach and open the wastegate actuator until the ball lifts off it's seat, the boost pressure builds as fast as it can.

Normally this means your car with a MBC will boost up faster than the standard setup which is often a bit tame.

Boost pressure at lower RPM gives more torque.

Even if you set the MBC to the standard factory boost pressure, torque is higher.

Anyway, the MBC I have made consists of anodised alloy, It will be available in a few colours such as blue,red,silver, maybe more.

Inside, as well as the normal ball and spring (my spring is stainless steel), I have also fitted a diaphragm under the ball for perfect sealing of boost (and vacuum if people need to connect the MBC to inlet manifold, normally though MBC's are best connected direct to the nipple on the compressor housing, then other side of valve goes to the actuator).

Also the MBC has a low or high adjustment range, with the low spring setting (will be dispatched in low mode), valve can be set to open between approx 5psi and adjusted up to 15-17psi.
This will suit the vast majority.
By fitting a supplied "nut" under the spring to increase tension, the controller then works at 10psi minimum setting, max is well over 20psi! (of course most cars wont allow boost to ever go this high, as the ECU will trigger the safety fuel cut/boost limiter, unless a Fuel cut defender is fitted)

Finally, to keep the MBC adjuster screw from moving once it's adjusted to your desired boost, and to also stop the valve from getting scratched or knocked about underbonnet, A silicone "protection boot" sleeve is provided to slide over the valve, (also available in different colours to match the valve (or mix colours)

Problem is, I don't actually have a turbo car up and running (yet), so the only testing I have done is using a hand operated Vaccuum/pressure pump and electric air compressor.
It seems to work very well when compared to another MBC I have (thats known to work OK)

Proof though is in the real world testing,

So I'm after someone to free trial it on their car and report back to me.

I'm just waiting on the silcone protection boots to turn up, and then it's ready.

If anygood, the plan is to sell them on Ebay. They will work on any turbocharged engine (petrol or diesel) that use a wastegate actuator to regulate boost (95% of turbo vehicles)

Will put photos up and keep you posted, when ready!

Still thinking of a good product name,
maybe "PocketRocket Boost Control", lol

Thanks for reading,

Nathan Munns

ADDED photos:
http://imageshack.us/g/217/dsc09989h.jpg/

This sounds good

This sounds good Smile

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Cheers, tonight im doing a

Cheers, tonight im doing a safety pressure test on the valve, lol.

Ive sealed the valve up totally so it cant open, then using my hand pump, I've pressurised the valve to 60psi (over 4 bar)!

Going to leave it like this downstairs in the utility room overnight,

If it bursts it will certainly be quite interesting!

Better make sure the cat isn't left in there!

MBC

That sounds really good and well thought out. I may well be up for a trial, but I am in a similar position to you with my Avanzato off the road at the moment. I am most of the way through fitting an uprated turbo and then it should be back on the road. The uprated turbo would benefit quite nicely from an MBC I think.

If you still need someone in a couple of weeks then give me a shout, I looked at your profile and it says you're Swindon based, I'm in Gloucester so I am not a million miles away from you.

If you wanted, I could post a link to this on the kei cars in the park forum which may get you some more interest.

Yeah seems a good lad, I met

Yeah seems a good lad, I met him (briefly) when he was queing up to get on the drag strip at Japshow a few weeks ago.

Ah right cool. He loved the

Ah right cool. He loved the Japshow and reckoned it was great fun. Im sure he would be up for helping you out and he is quite far along in the tuning stakes with an uprated turbo, FCD, exhaust etc.

Here we go, Protection boots

Here we go, Protection boots arrived today, very pleased. They really do hold the valve tight and the adjuster cannot move, better than a lock nut I think as you dont need to get a spanner out to make adjustments, just slide the hose off and turn adjuster, then side it back on again.

Might get the boots made a bit shorter.

Photos of the prototypes to get a idea:

http://imageshack.us/g/217/dsc09989h.jpg/

Controller colours available should be Blue/Silver/Red/Black/Gold/Purple.

Protection boots colours..Blue/green/red/black.

Also need to sort out some silicone hose.

neat!

Looks good, black on black would be nice and stealth for those of us who want to remain "undercover" hehehe...

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

Well the valve passed the

Well the valve passed the overnight high pressure test with flying colours.

In 8 hours pressure dropped just 6psi (60psi starting pressure, 54psi when i checked this morning)

And I don't believe the valve leaked any pressure at all, but it was just a slight weap from the hose connection on my vacuum pump not being tight enough.

The diaphragm seal inside the valve is perfect.

Still waiting on the protection boots to arrive,did hope they would turn up today because I was told Monday they have been dispatched.

YRV Turbo ready...

Sounds like a good setup...
My YRV Turbo is available if you want to try it. Probably ideal, as I have a full stainless exhaust fitted and a pipercross foam filter ready.
At the moment the setup suffers from the dreaded "fuel cut" so I've fitted the standard airbox to "tune down" the system - seems to work.
I also have a Dashdaq, so the results from all the sensors can be datalogged and checked before and after.
I'm in Bristol, so not too far from Swindon.
Let me know if thats cool?

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

OK great thanks, I know

OK great thanks, I know Bristol pretty well as i grew up in Bath.

Im interested to have a look under the bonnet of the YRV Turbo, it maybe wise if i come over with the MBC, I can also make a FCD.

Does your Dashdaq show you MAP sensor voltage? So you can see what voltage triggers the fuel cut.

2 voltages

Ah ok, I am working in Bath until the end of this week. Great place but no parking Sad
When I have run the Dashdaq I think there were 2 voltages available for display, but not sure what they were for. Possibly for the lambda or O2 sensors?
I'll connect it up again when I get home tonight and take note of all the sensors.

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

Ok, well it's not problem

Ok, well it's not problem anyway, but if i was to know the voltage which the ECU triggers fuel cut, I could preset the FCD to this in advance.

But it's just a case of connecting up a multimeter to the MAP sensor output wire and watching the voltage when the fuel cut triggers. Normally between about 4.2v - 5.0 volts on most cars.

What boost does it cut? about 12 psi I suspect?

The GTti cuts at about 12.5psi, when the MAP sensor voltage is reading 4.25volts, cant see it being much different.

Not too predictable on boost

Its mostly on max boost, but have had the odd occurrence overtaking on uphills before the turbo is fully boosting. Will be very interesting to check the data to see.

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo

Dashdaq shows boost

Nope, I use the Dashdaq when I want to check anything, it has quite a good variety of gauge displays. Perhaps not quite as immediate as a mechanical boost gauge, but quick enough to know whats going on as it has a running graph display as well if needed.

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Just call me G... Wink
2004 Yellow YRV Turbo