G23 Engine Valve Clearance Adjustment.

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I want/need to do this. I've done it on other cars, but I had a bit more information available for them.

Perhaps this is a silly question, but is the clearance measured between the top of the valve stem and the rocker arm adjuster, or between the cam lobe and the rocker-arm pad?

The line-drawing in the online manual looks like the latter is being done(which is my recollection of how the Lada was done, which had a similar OHC/rocker arm design)but it isn't very clear. I think you'd need a cranked feeler guage to get in there but I can probably make a holder.

Another (less critical) question: Anyone know the COLD clearance spec? The online manual only gives it HOT (0.2mm).

I don't really understand the sequence diagram (perhaps you have to be Japanese) but I can probably suss that out hands-on.

Edit: Sorry, I did a bit more searching and I think I found the info.

Clearance is indeed measured between cam and rocker

cold clearance is 0.15 mm

Sequence is described elsewhere in the manual verbally, clarifying the diagram.

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Yes, A general rule of thumb.

Yes, A general rule of thumb.

For a iron block and OHC iron head combo, Cold you normally decrease .05-0.07mm from the Hot

Iron block with OHC alloy head, decrease 0.10mm-0.15mm from the Hot

Sequence diagram is awkward to get head around,and I think they only do it for a time-saver so you don't have to turn engine as much.

I prefer to measure the gap on each, one at a time and then rotate engine to do next one. Measure at largest gap point (so the base, directly opposite the lobe)

PS: You are lucky you don't have buckets with shims, A right time consuming job measuring and jiggling sizes of shims or buying a few new ones of the right size!

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Thanks

(Thought I'd already replied to this but it seems to have disappeared.

Apologies if it turns up as a double-post eventually. Sorry but as a newbie I find the site layout and navigation relatively obscure.)

I tried this the day before yesterday and didn't make a very good job of it. Couldn't see/find the timing marks, so I just did it by cam-lobe position as you suggest above, which is nice and direct.

OTOH the view of, and access to, the cam-lobes seems to be relatively poor on this engine, and I'm not sure I was judging their positions accurately. I was trying to use the "hot" 0.2 mm setting, as recommended in the manual, but with distractions/interruptions, and the chilly, grit-laden gale that always seems to blow-up when I have an engine open outdoors, I suspect this setting was no longer appropriate by the end of the procedure. Thats partly why I prefer a "cold" setting, so one isn't aiming at a moving target.

I had to bend the "standard" full-length feeler guage quite sharply (maybe through 80%) to get it past the rocker shaft, which probably reduces feel and accuracy.(I made a cranked feeler blade holder from a bit of ally tube from an old TV aerial, which I was quite proud of until I actually tried it on the car Lol

Checking the clearances against the "cold" spec of 0.15mm the next day, they seemed a bit loose. Car runs, but I'm not sure its any less rattly than it was before.

I should probably have another go using the timing marks and try and make a better job of it.

Couple of questions:

Angel The manual gives a 0.15mm clearance as a "cold" setting for engine rebuilds, but says you should re-do when the engine is hot. Why is this? I can't see any reason why a "cold" clearance setting wouldn't be equally as accurate/reproducible.

(b) (Silly Q, I suspect) I found the socket on the crankshaft (through the port in the wheelarch) a bit awkward and, in my hands, prone to slipping off and chewing up the corners of the pulley nut. There doesn't seem to be clearance to get a spanner in from above.

I thought I'd be able to use a front wheel in (high) gear to turn the engine but couldn't get it to work. One wheel up it wouldn't move, two it rotated freely but the engine didn't budge. I think the diff defeated me. Is there a trick to this?

EDIT: I found roping a lever to the raised wheel allowed me to turn over the engine with a lot more control than the socket-on-pulley-nut official method. Didn't even have to take the plugs out.

PS The site layout and navigation here is , IMO, horribly eccentric. ENDEDIT