Air Conditioning and Warranty

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My Air Conditioning suddenly stopped working. It was allright on one day, then it was one day I wasn't using the car, and then on the following day - no cooling at all (which was a shame, as it was really hot day).

Instead of icy cold air from the vents, pressing my A/C switch only result with engine idling rpm's going slightly up as usual and strange, metallic sound can be heard.

Since my car is 2009 Sirion, still under 5 years warranty, I decided to make a claim. It is hard to find authorized Daihtasu Garage since they have moved out of Europe, and I learned that the one on the outskirts of my town that I serviced my car since the one in my town became Arnold Clark is no longer a Daihatsu Garage, I went to the website and found the nearest one only 45 minutes of motorway drive from me. Not bad, it could be Shetlands.

I called them and explained the situation and they told me that unless I have a receipt proving that I regased my Air Con system every two years, they will do nothing under warranty. It came to a surprise to me as my car is serviced regularly as per warranty book (well, with a slight delay one year, when I was abroad, but they told me (then) that it won't be a problem) and I would expect that if it is mandatory to regas the system, it would be included in regular servicing. I checked my manual again, and there is nothing about air condition refill. it is written ex plicite, that the condition of my warranty is that I follow the servicing schedule provided, and servicing schedule does not include air conditioning refilling at all.

I know it is advised to refill your gas in Air Con every two years, but from what I know it is not mandatory, or, in most cases, necesary. I even asked once when I was servicing my car and they told me that I should not worry as long as it works properly. And it did worked, the air was very cool and there was no stinking smell from it...

I know that when the system is not sealed, then the gas escapes and that can be a problem, but with new car it should not be... And if it was the case, I would notice a gradually worsening of my air con... I made a quick query amongst my friends and most of them services their air con much less often than every two years - and most of them have much older cars than me...

So now, since the Daihatsu dealer told me that he will do nothing unless I provide the receipt for regasing, I contacted Daihatsu via the website (first I called, the guy less or more agreed with me but told me that he cannot do anything, I have to speak with the dealer and then use the form on the website). Now I am awaiting their answer.

So how is it? Can they refuse to fix an obvious mechanical problem on the basis that I don't have a receipt for the thing that is not mandatory to do? And if I had a problem with fuel injection system would they expect me to provide receipt from the gas station?

Hi Orys and welcome to the

Hi Orys and welcome to the club Smile

Sorry to read your first post is one of doom and gloom. It sounds to me like a narky Dealership trying it on to be fair, as they know Daihatsu is no more in Europe and wants some dough off you.
It's a shame you can't get a second opinion from another Daihatsu Dealership/Service Centre. Have you tried phoning another one up for a second opinion? That way you can be sure? Luckily my local one that's just about still going I have good relationship with and they are as honest in their responses when you ask them anything. Hope you get this one sorted.

Jon.

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HI!First I want to mention

HI!

First I want to mention that I am at this forum for some time, so it wasn't my first post. I don't write much, because I am usless when it comes to car mechanics, so I won't be much help, and my Daihatsu never caused me any troubles, so I didn't needed to look for help myself... Unless your "welcome to the club" refered to some club of people without air condition BiggrinBiggrin

I could call another garage, that can be a good option to have another opinion. The thing is that the only Daihatsu service left near Glasgow is in Troon, and the other three are in Dumfries, Gallashiels and Shetlands... I did not wanted to bother them if I was sure that I would rather not travel so far... But if the garage is not fair, then I might consider taking day of and having a nice trip to Scottish Borders or something...

I have to say that to be completely frank, I just thought that they serviced my air condition along with the rest of the car during regular services. Since on invoice it says "full service", I would expect that they do everything that is required...

I even asked about it once that on occassion, after I don't use air con for some time (as sometimes my car was parked for up to two weeks when I was away with Europe for my work) that I can feel a smell similar to that of the swimming pool for first few seconds after turning it on, but I was told it is perfectly normal. (I never had airconditioned car before, so I just believed in that).

Tell me, how often do you change your gas in your A/C? I am a strongly believer of "if it has no "use by" date and is not broken, don't touch it", I did a poll amongst my friends and they told me they do it really rarely...

No worries.

Yeah looked up your profile after I posted to see you have been a member for over 4 years! So did think you we're new here so that's why the welcome Wink
As for aircon regassing, I had read somewhere this needs to be done every 5 years which when being regassed the air con system also gets a regrease at the same time. Also with any air con system most manufacturers do recommend that you should use your air on for roughly 15 minutes every week so that the aircon system gets lubricated.

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP

hehe, Yup, I bought my car

hehe, Yup, I bought my car nearly 5 years ago and signed up instantly. I am checking up quite regularly, but rarely have something to say (and the forum itself is not the most lively I know as well ;-))

As per last thing, that is not a problem. Apart from the few situation when my car was untouched for max two weeks at the time, I use air con for most of the time.

I wonder about one more thing: one of my services was a bit delayed - I forgot to do my service on time, as I haven't covered even half of the miles required, but I forgot that its "before X miles or before Y months". I did it later on with authorised Daihatsu Dealer and they assured me that although I would not be covered if something happens when I was late for my service, since it is now done, and everything is OK, I am back on track... I wonder if now I will take sharp stand they might change their mind...

OK. I reported the case to

OK.

I reported the case to Daihatsu using their online system, but since system crashes when I am trying to check up my progress, I called them up again. Nice gentleman called me back and confirmed that the dealer's requirements are rubbish, promised to speak with them and also promised to send me an e-mail confirming that I am NOT required to regas the system every two years so I can show it to them if they are still not happy.

So I will propably try to go for an excursion to the seaside somewhere next week and to have the thing looked at...

Ok, the story has ended well.

I got e-mail from Daihatsu basically saying that I should not be bothered with air con system for the first 5 years, and definitely it is not a warranty condition to regas, or even to check the level of it, so the service should basically shut up, find the fault and fix it. They said however, that if it happened that there would be no fault in the system and it would happen that gas in the system would drop below required level, which should not, but it can happen, the regasing is not considered as the warranty claim and I have to pay it myself.

I called the garage again, and I was told again, that if I did not regased the system, I have lost my warranty and they can look at it (for a small charge) and then fix it for me, as with the unusual noise they think it is mechanical fault. I told them that they are wrong, and that my warranty is still valid. The lady demanded it in writing so I forwarded my e-mail from Daihatsu to her. She has read that and then she said, that their air-con guy is on holiday and they cannot look at it anytime soon. WTF??? If I was ready to pay, they would drag him back from his holidays or what?

I thanked her politely for her assistance and contacted second closest authorised Daihatsu service to me, asking if they are open on Saturday, so I can make a nice weekend excursion and have my car looked into. They told me that their company have another garage that is dealing with another make, but they can arrange for me to have my car serviced there, as it is much closer to me.

So I visited that garage today. They guys examined throughfully everything and they were slightly confused with the noise as well, but they checked the system and they said that everything is OK, it just the gas level fell below cut-off point. As they weren't familiar with Daihatsu they consulted someone on the phone. When I asked, they explained the noise to me, although being non-native English speaker I have to admit that combination of specialist vocabulary and heavy Scottish accent of the mechanic made it hard to understand. But from what I grasped it seems that when the gas level is too low, the sensor swtiches off not the whole air con system, but just the part of it. As a result it still turns around, it just not compresses or pumps the gas, hence the noise.

They offered me that they will regas the system and offered me a really good price on it, saying that since Daihtatsu says I should not be forced to do it for the first 5 years, they are ready to do it at cost price. I went for it (especially that the price was lower than cheapest offers I've seen). And so now I am enjoying cool air and strange noise is gone as well.

Glad to have read, you got it sorted out...

Just goes to show the type of garages out there that are willing to help or in some cases not without looking for payment in advance Sad So good job you checked on another garage.
I think the problem here is that Daihatsu as a brand is looked at now a days as the car manufacturer that's no longer doing trade in this country and garages are pulling fast ones, perhaps they know that they can now, and possibly maybe its too much hassle for them to be getting money back from doing warranty jobs. I hope the latter not being the case Sad But good stuff and well done for holding up on it Smile

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'12' Plate Mazda MX-5 2.0 litre NC 3.5 Venture Roadster 160BHP
'15' Plate SEAT LEON 184 FR TDI. 240BHP/500nm Torque.
Past: '53' Plate Yellow YRV Turbo Approx. 150BHP

Yes

But I am not worried. My warranty is going to run out soon, I hope to have no problem with it, and then I will be able to pick my own garage to service my car.