Hi again thanks to all those who responded i checked the nut on the gearbox which works loose its fine i did notice however that when coming back into 2nd down the gears the gearstick looks as if it shouldnt go over that much can anybody pinpoint me as to diagnosing without having to take out the gearbox cheers Dan it will go into gear with a bit of brut force and sometimes will jump out only when coming down the gears