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Hi All,
Anyone know where I can get a Fourtrak TDX (new shape, F78, 1993-) passenger door glass, preferably used (cheap!)? I am based in Oxford.
Is it the same as that on the TDS, TDL (new shape) or even the old shape? According to a previous post the doors are the same, so I assume this is likely.
Also is fitting covered in the workshop manual, or is there anything particularly tricky about it?
Any help/advice much appreciated.
Cheers,
Lube
As fare as I'm aware any
As fare as I'm aware any scrap fourtrak should be able to suply you with a replacment. I certainly put an F70 drivers glass into my F78 Fieldman. In fact I could find you one for a tenner, but I doubt it would be worth your while to come all the way to Dover, K ent to get it?
Anyway. Fitting is prety easy. I'm asuming the old one is smashed? So getting it out isn't an issue. If it is still there then reversing the instalation steps will sort that.
1. You will have to take off the trim around the door opener handle (one screw), the pulling the door shut handle (2 screwes, from underneath) and the window winding handle (assuming it's not electric). The only triky part of this is getting the winder handel off. There is a spring clip under the rubbery trim around the winder where it meets the door card. There is a splined shaft that comes through the door card. The winder slides onto this to drive the winding mecanism. The spring clip holds the winder onto the shaft. The spring clip needs to be pushed off of the shaft. I'm sure there is a 'proper' tool to do this, but I've always made do with a medium flat screwdriver.
2. Remove the door card. Screws along the bottom, push fittings the rest of the way around. There is a tool for this, kind of like the nail removing end of a cro-bar, but straight? Anyway the flat end screwdriver can do this job too if used with care. It is very easy to rip the door card.
3. Under the doorcard it a plastc sheet, stuck to the meatlwork. Peel this off, being careful not to rip it.
4. Take the strip along the outside of the opening where the glass should come up out of the door off.
5. Unbolt the metal strip (with the remains of the glass in it) from the winding mecanism. You will find by winding the window up and down you can find positions where you can get easy accses to each bolt.
6. Near the bottom of the door, on the same 'edge' as the loking mecanism, where it is inside the door fram when the door is closed, is a bolt. This bolt holds a peice of the window gide rail in place. Undo the bolt and remove the peice of guid rail.
7. Drop (not literaly) the window nose down into the slot where it should disappear when wound down.
8. Once to glass is right inside the door you can rotat it into the proper position. Then (becouse of the missing bit) you can slid it into the gid rails.
9. Bolt the metal strip on the bottom of the glass onto the winding mecanism.
10. Wind the window right up to the closed position, and reatach the missing bit of gide rail.
11. Put all the trim, plastic, door card etc back on. The manual window winder (if you have one) is easy to re-attach. Put the spring clip into it's potition on the winder, then push the winder onto the splined shaft. The spring clip will spread around the shaft, and click back into place once you've pushed it in fare enough. God there are so many things wronge with that last sentence (not just the spelling...).
Anyway. Hope that is of some help. It's actually easier to do than describ...
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
Thanks
Many thanks for your reply. I was in a hurry (don't like car sitting out in the rain with no window) so just ordered on from a local breaker for £38 delivered, along with a replacement aerial. All this was smashed just before I bought the car, which meant I got a pretty good deal.
Thanks for the fantastic instructions, have just swapped the door locks (boot and drivers door, which had also been "adjusted" with a big screwdriver) so can picture what you have described. Will let you know how I get on once glass arrives on thursday.
Do you often get parts or do you just know a good breaker in Dover? I ask as I often pass by on my way to France.
Cheers!
A few shortcuts...
So here are my tips for doing the job quickly on an Independent (TDX). Basically it's the same as that above but with a few shortcuts specific to the Indy, to speed things up a bit:
1. Lower window fully (if it is still there).
2. Remove rubber seal strip on the outer (door mirror) side of the window slot. DO NOT remove the other bit of rubber on the interior side of the window slot.
3. Remove the door card (arm rest etc.) but don't unplug the electric windows yet.
4. DO NOT remove the service cover/plastic sheet, as there's no need. Instead just lift up the two flaps in the sheet, which correspond to the two cavities towards the bottom of the door.
5. Raise the window until the glass support rail is visible through the two flaps in the service cover. You should be able to see both bolts at either end of the support rail.
6. Loosen both bolts using a ratchet + extension (metric 10 i think). You may have to re-position the window so the ratchet can get to both bolts at the same position.
7. Remove both bolts and remove the support rail up through the window slot.
8. Insert the new glass into the support rail. I did this by leaving the rubber in the rail, approaching the glass at an angle, and tapping downwards and inwards on the rail using a hammer (lightly), along with tonnes of WD40. The end of the rail should line up with the rear end of the lower straight edge of the glass.
N.B. If you are using the glass from another fourtrak you may still need to swap the support rails, as they are not all the same! I used the glass from a SWB fieldman, and the support rail was about 5mm shorter for some bizarre reason! Don't be lazy and just try and force the bolts, they won't go!!
9. Lower the glass-rail assembly nose down into the slot, being carful not to take the remaining rubber strip off. Once it's fully in playing around should allow you to move the glass into position, just make sure you get it into the front and rear guide rails, and that the support rail is inside the metal tab on the lifitng mechanism.
10. Do up the bolts, check the window slides up and down in its guide rails. Put everything back and I think that is all there is to it.
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