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Hi,

I found this site a few days ago and am finding it an invaluable source of information. Have been the proud owner of Brucie, an L reg Fourtrak Independent since last August. Unfortunately he's been off the road since Christmas cos he was losing brake fluid with no evidence of where it might be going! Thanks to this site I now have a good idea.

Loss of Brake Fluid.

Welcome to the Forum

Your unexplainable loss of fluid may be via the seals on the servo. The fluid may well be sitting in the casing of the servo.

OLDMINIMAN

M J Young

Loss of Brake Fluid

Ta m'duck.

Unfortunately I don't know what the servo is. I was guessing at a leaking master cylinder. But as I don't know my master cylinder from my elbow......

Knowing my luck, it's bound to be expensive! And to make things even better I think my battery's on its last legs. Its on charge atm and not sure whether it's worth putting it back in or treating myself to a new one. Fortunately I live just down the road from a large battery distributor! Now I'm all SAE'd and EN'd out trying to decide which one I want. Currently I've got a Massey Ferguson 643 95aH.

but hey, what would I know? I'm just a Gurl!

but hey, what would I know? I'm just a Gurl!

Hi Me Duck

No Problem

The Sportrak is quite common with the fairer sex and there are a few on this forum.

Now the servo is the black circular drum beneath the bonnet on the left, directly in front of the driver. It reduces the amount of braking effort you have to put on the peadal to stop the car. They used to be called Power assisted years ago but basically operate from a vacuum and spring pressure from the inlet manifold. The cylinder infront of it with fluid in is the Brake Master Cylinder and the fluid is corrosive to paint. If the seal goes and allows fluid passed it, that fluid goes into the servo unit. Your brakes will be less efficient and get worse as the leak increases and the effect on the brakes decreases. Don't let the Master cylinder run dry or you will lose all brakes as air will enter the system. The fluid in the cylinder is a hydraulic brake fluid usually DOT 5 and is more diffcult to compress than air. When you apply the brakes the fluid is compressed and moves the brake pads at the front and the shoes at the rear through displacement, these inturn cause friction between the drums and disks slowing and eventually stopping the car.

That is in very simple terms how the brakkes work and I hope you are not insulted at my effort to explain something you may already understand.

I would think that unless an alternative leak is obvious then this could be the culprit.

When inspecting for leaks, as well as looking at the pipes, both flexible and rigid, look at the brake drum bottoms at the rear and the calipers at the front for signs of wetness. Each caliper at the front has a piston that moves in an out with displacement mentioned and each piston has a seal. Likewise at the rear the brake shoes are moved by slave cylinders which again have seals in . Any or a number of these seals can fail causing not just loss of fluid but contamination of the friction materials on the pads and shoes. Once contaminated these should be replaced as well as the offending seals. At the rear it is easier to replace the complete cylinder. In general contamination makes the material swell and causes grabbing by one or more of the brakes and is usually noticable.

I hope this helps although finding the culprit and getting it repaired will be the next problem, but keep that Master Cylinder topped up at all times and don't ignore it for too long as when the brakes fail, well you needn't be told of the consequences I'm sure

GOOD LUCK

OLDMINIMAN

M J Young

No offence taken

All info gratefully received. I still get confused with pads and shoes and for some reason I thought the master cylinder was at the back! The good news is that, after changing the battery and it starting FIRST TIME!!!! (after 5 months' standing) I got it to the garage this morning without much trouble and the mechanic found a leaky brake pipe. Now he's got the wheels off I've asked him to check the drums although he was pretty sure he'd found the culprit. Cos I'll be towing a horse box I need to be 110% sure the brakes are going to work!

Oh and my little truck (do you call them trucks??) is a rufty tufty Fourtrak not a girlie Sportrak! Wink

but hey, what would I know? I'm just a Gurl!

but hey, what would I know? I'm just a Gurl!

Welcome to the site

Welcome to the site.
To find out what interesting things can , affect our trucks, and how to avoid or repair that annoying fault, as well as the the major things that lurk around the corner. A female owner with a male truck, my Fourtrak is female!!, called 'Chunky', something to do with wheel archs (big hips) and red (hair) bodywork, so my partner tells me.

Oh' girl you may have upset some of the Sportrak owners with your girlie Sportrak comment. Though I agree the Sportrak is more feminine looking (no offence intended ) These trucks may be old but with a bit of TLC they will outlast more modern 4x4's . Hope you have got your problem solved.

Edward (ews) '92 Fourtrak 2.8 TDX